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My father (age 60) is pretty bald (Class 6 balding pattern) but he still had hair on the top of his head. I am also a Class 6 (age 40) person but more balding than my father as my scalp is clean of any hair on the top. I went to a hair transplant doctor and he recommended that I get 1500 grafts on the front and top of my head. I was curious as to how much hair that would be, so I asked my dad if I could count the hairs on the top of his head. He had lost his hairline over 20 years ago as I have. I counted about 3000 hairs on his head, so assuming that I get 1500 grafts averaging two hairs each per graft, I realized just how much hair I wold get from such a transplant. He looks sickly with his 3000 hair if it were not for his top shape and his workout routine. Did I do this right to see what I think that I would like with 3000 hairs in the 1500 grafts recommended for me?
Answer: The recommendation of 1500 grafts in a completely bald class 6 pattern, would not give a big impact for you. To cover the class 6 pattern, you would need closer to 5,000-7,000 grafts depending upon the thickness of your hair shafts (fine, medium or coarse). Spreading 1500 grafts around a Class 6 pattern will not give you much coverage unless your hair shafts were thicker than his and the grafts were focused on the front and forward top areas of your head. I found a 44 year old male with a Class 6 pattern on my website (http://newhair.com/photos/patient-xk/). He had 4178 grafts in two sessions. The redness in the front reflected a hair system (wig) he wore which was glued to his scalp. His hair was of medium weight. If you hair is of medium weight, then you could expect to look like this with about 4000 grafts. Look at his before picture and tell me if this is the type of hair that your father has? If so, it might be miniaturized (very fine) so it will not give much coverage, so 1500 grafts of non-miniaturized hair placed in the frontal area might look ok, but significant coverage will not be obtained and these grafts should not be placed in the top and crown area.
To take a look at two other patients, I offer: http://newhair.com/photos/patient-ba/ (patient BA) and http://newhair.com/photos/patient-cd/ (patient CD). Patient BA’s area of coverage with 2184 grafts of medium weight hair that is straight (no wave in it) combs over nicely to cover the bald area. Patient CD had 1349 grafts with good frontal coverage because his hair was coarse and very curly (kinky). Patient CDs hair attributes give more coverage than people with medium weight, straight hair as seen in patient BA. If the hair was fine in either of these men, the coverage would be thinner.
I hope that these comparisons will give you an ability to estimate what 1500 grafts might do. Compare your hair attributes to those of these men and then you might be able to see the value of the recommended 1500 grafts.
hello Doctors, about 2 years ago i was shaving my hair with a trimmer and it pulled a chunk of hair out at the widows peak, the hair has never grown back properly and when light hits that area it appears shiny and bald. But on closer inspection there are loads of tiny thin hairs… these hairs have remained for over a year and never grow any longer than half a millimeter. I would imagine this is miniaturization ? but from reading up usually miniaturized hairs fall out…. these hairs have been there for over a year and never shrunk or grown more ? any ideas what might be going on and if i could use something to make
them grow normal ?
Traumatic pull of hair and hair loss resulting from such trauma can take about a year to grow back. If it has not grown back in one year, then we generally assume the hair is lost. In most cases it does grow back if the pulling is not chronic over time.
However after 2 years, I suspect what you see is what you get. The small fine hairs you may be seeing is just vellus hairs that is present on our bodies that is not necessarily scalp hair. I cannot tell you exactly what you are seeing without an examination.
I really enjoy visiting the website and reading the wealth of information that is posted on here.
I know dr.rassman has mentioned a few times that if a person is genetically balding their hair has a certain lifetime (example 5 or 10 years) , with or without the use of finasteride, before it completely dies. If that is the case, what is the point of taking finasteride if the hair is going die anyways within 5 or 10 years? Could finasteride prolong the hair from falling out early?
Male pattern balding (MPB) also known as androgenic alopecia (AGA) is genetic. There is no cure. But there are two drugs: Propecia (finasteride) and Rogaine (topical minoxidil) that can SLOW the process down. In some men it can sometimes REVERSE and grow NEW HAIR! But eventually over time, you will continue to lose hair in the genetic pattern.
If you are rapidly losing hair in your 20’s and 30’s and you can take a medication to slow or sometimes reverse the balding process down for about 10 years, that may be worth it to some people. It is an optional medication with a low side effect profile. The most significant side effect for finasteride (Propecia) is sexually related (erection issues) or reduced sexual drive and it occurs in 1 to 2% of men who take the medication. The side effects are reversible once you stop taking the medication. But there are a subset of men out there who claim that the side effects are permanent. It is very difficult to prove or disprove the permanence of the validity of long term sexual dysfunction, but this is a consideration you must weigh if you take this drug. The risks and benefits should be individually discussed with your doctor.
The following is a LINK of before and after photos of men who took Propecia with great results.
I just recently quit taking finasteride due to experiencing some sexual side effects that did not decrease when trying a smaller dose. My doctor advised me to stop finasteride for six months to see if my sexual symptoms improved. I took my last pill a month ago.
I was on finasteride from age 24 to 27, and, while not improving my hair loss, it at least kept further loss from occurring. I’m starting to feel anxious about the catch-up hair loss that could come within the next few months. Would minoxidil help prevent this catch-up loss from occurring, or is it more or less inevitable?
If you had unwanted side effects with a medication, you did the right thing by discussing your options (weighing out risks and benefits) and stopping the medication. The catch up hair loss can happen over the next 6 months after stopping Propecia and that is something that cannot be completely stopped.
Starting another type of medication such as topical minoxidile (Rogain) may help but since it works in different ways than Propecia you still may experience hair loss from the “catch up” phenomenon. Everyone is different and you won’t know until you try.
Do you ever increase density to an area in anticipation that there will be some shock loss?
Maybe I”m off but if technicians are doing most of the procedure I would think the rate of transection would be high. I don’t know what kind of training they’ve had. I assume just in house training. Obviously they’re needed considering the number of grafts but it’s a concern of mine.
No one can predict shock hair loss from surgery precisely. As a general rule the younger you are (early 20’s) with active (noticeable) hair loss in the preceding months would be very concerning for shock hair loss. If one is in their 30’s and 40’s with no significant change in their hair status in the last several years the chances of shock hair loss will be less. This is further improved by being on Propecia / finasteride.
If one were to go ahead with a hair transplant surgery, we take all the above in to account and balance out the risks (shock hair loss) versus the benefit of (new hair growth).
We do overlap the “risky” areas where there may be future hair loss with additional hair. This is not necessarily anticipating shock hair loss but rather anticipating further natural genetic hair loss. So that as you age the transplants would naturally blend in with natural thinning. This is basically part of the global MASTER PLAN that we always talk about at New Hair Institute.
With respect to the technicians who assist with surgery, they are the ones responsible for dissecting the grafts and inserting the grafts. This is their MAIN job. They do their work better than any surgeon – which is painstakingly dissecting and separating each individual hair follicles under a microscope. It is a very detail oriented work that require years of practice. The transection rate under a good technicians’ hands are very low. Most of the technicians at New Hair Institute have more than 10 to 15 years of experience trained personally by Dr. Rassman.
I’m 19 and play college football. My Dad experienced hair loss around my age and was a Norwood V by the time he was 30. His hairloss was gradual and then slowed way down.
I have a lot of stress right now because of playing football and tough academics and I broke up with my gf. It seems this is accelerating some of it. But, I try to calm myself down. What would you recommend me trying to take for now? I will get a transplant or something later after I play college. I just need to get through another 4 years!
Thanks in advance.
As you are finding out hair loss is genetic. In general many men who have the trait of Norwood 5/6/7 patterns will have the pattern show in their 20’s. It does slow down in their 30/40s.
If you want a medical treatment, you need to see a doctor to explore your options such as taking Propecia or Rogaine. It is the only two medication that work. Shampoos, vitamins, and products you may find on the Internet despite the great advertising persuasion, does not work to stop or regrow hair. At best it may be “good” for your hair in terms of keeping the hair’s shine and body.
Other options would be simply shaving! Bald is beautiful (or handsome)… as they say.
I share this because I think Im a pretty good example of aysmmetircal receding of the hairline. I am a 27 year old (half Italian half English caucasian male) and my right corner of my hairline began to slowly recede exactly two years ago.
The left is still more or less compltely in tact ( I know it will catch up in time)
No hair loss at the crown (or negligible) and heavily receded hairline, but overall a decent amount for a near 50 year old. It is thinning more the last few years though. I think he said he started balding at 27.
His father has slightly more hair than him, basically a near full head of hair at 75. My mother´s father has a Norwood at 75. There are no complete baldies in my family.
I guess I would like this to be a ‘mature’ hairline but Im not sure that exists anywhere other than in moviestars and this will continue to receded.
As I said, my left side is totally fine, my right side has receded an inch or so and in that space where the hairline was is some minituarisewd hair. Behind it the hair appears fine and not miniturarised. Very thick hair overall.
It’s quite simple. We are all built differently! In fact we are not quite symmetrical as you may think. Some have uneven length arms, uneven shoe sizes, uneven smiles, etc. Hair line and recession is not immune to such asymmetry. On a positive note (if you want to call it positive) the other side will likely catch up with the receding side with time.
I am a 22 year old man.i underwent treatment for tuberculosis for2 year but now iam ok.the problem is now i have sudden hair loss with circular type.
Hair loss for men in general is caused by genetic factors. In other instances illness or medical conditions which cause stress to the body or adverse effects from medication can also be responsible for hair loss.
Treatment for tuberculosis (TB) sometimes can mean you tested positive and were once exposed to tuberculosis and doctors gave you a long course of antibiotic. It does not always mean you have an active tuberculosis infection. Either way, you were treated and it should not impact the hair especially after two years. Even the medication you took for TB should not be a factor after two years.
The best advice is for you to see a doctor for an examination. Circular type of hair loss (patchy circles) can also mean you may have a condition known as alopecia areata (AA). AA is not related to TB.
Hi, for the last ten months I’ve been having diffuse hair loss all over my scalp. Both top and sides of my head. My hair line has not receded. Within these ten months, I would say that I’ve lost about 60% or more of my total hair. All of the hairs have the small white bulb at the end. I’ve gone to a dermatologist and he suggested that it might be TE or MPB. I then went to an endocrinologist and had some blood work done. I came out having slight hyperthyroidism and I show many of the symptoms.
It seems that my hair loss has continued the same. I have slight hair regrowth but it tends to fall and my hairs still have the white bulb at the end. this problem began in june ’09 and I had been under a great stress two months prior. I am now 19. I have been on methimazole for about a month now and I am really anxious to try propecia. Do you believe this to be TE or MPB? Thank You.
I really don’t know what you’re seeing, so I can not recommend anything without checking out the hair loss for myself. My examination would include Miniaturiaton studies and bulk measurement with a HAIRCHECK instrument. I need to make a diagnosis and to see the distribution of your hair loss and knowing what you mean by hair loss over my entire scalp, does not mean anything to me from a diagnostic point of view.
The patient who wrote this some years ago was not too far from my Los Angeles office, so i suggested that he should come to our office for a free consultation. My office at 310-553-9113 (or 800-NEW-HAIR). If he had been from out-or town, I would have suggested that he see a local dermatologist to start, get his/her diagnosis and then if the diagnosis is not nailed down, try a telephone consultation with us by sending good pictures (which will be held confidential) and then get an opinion from us. This patient made a diagnosis on himself as diffuse alopecia, If this is the case, we could refine that diagnosis and determine if it was diffuse patterned alopecia or diffuse unpatterned alopecia. The former diagnosis is treatable while the latter diagnosis may not be treatable.