Hey I’m 19 and In thinning around the hairline I’m now on 0.5g finasteride since 2 weeks and me question is will finasteride thicken these fine hairs on the hairline or do I need to Derma roll?
Provided you are not talking about the loss of your juvenile hairline in developing a maturing hairline, a 19 year old with early genetic Class 3 type hair loss may reverse the process on finasteride. Finasteride will not help you hold on to a juvenile hairline or bring it back.
What would you say is the most effective growth agonist? I’ve heard people say oral minoxidil, but is topical estrogen also capable of reviving follicles after they’ve dormant for a few years?
Reviving dormant follicles is not something that may always happen. The places were we see revival is usually when the loss is less than a year, two at most. Those who have had long term balding may not be able to revive those hairs. The traditional approaches all have value including Microneedling, minoxidil (oral or topical) and finasteride. Estrogens in the face of high testosterone may have more limited value.
What I’ve noticed: those miniaturized hairs (1) are terminal hairs but barely grow longer than 1 inch; (2) can be easily pulled out from roots by hand and will take even longer time to grow back; (3) the hair pulled out with roots mostly missed the white gooey stuff presented in healthy hairs.
Miniaturized hairs can easily be pulled out but be careful as they may not come back. They often do not grow in advanced stages of miniaturization
I’ve been on minoxidil for about 7 months now and it doesn’t seem to be helping. Is retrograde alopecia not androgenic? I always just thought it was a weird pattern of genetic hair loss but some people on this thread are saying there can be causes… is that true? What kind of causes?
I think that this may be some ill defined inherited issue where particular hairs undergo Apoptosis based upon programmed death. This also happens in genetic male patterned balding but that was defined for a huge population. I haven’t seen anyone who has ever done a study of retrograde alopecia with with inheritance as a focus.
These two classic article cover the dose effectiveness of finasteride ranging from 0.1mg to 1mg daily as well as the serum testosterone effects from this drug
https://booksc.xyz/book/17840978/d696b4
https://booksc.xyz/book/17840977/b2aead
Children mistakenly given oral minoxidil in place of stomach ailment drug
https://www.yahoo.com/news/spanish-parents-demand-compensation-children-153113188.html
This is an amazing result in just 6 months with a dermaroller needle depth 1/5mm and finasteride after 6 months. I wish these pictures were comparable.
I still dont know if my hairline is maturing or if I’m balding. I wanted to know if hairline maturation occurred via miniaturization of the follicles?
Not always. Sometimes hairlines just recede without miniaturization. A mature hairline is located in the middle just one finger width above the highest crease of your furrowed brow with a gentle V-Shape from there, see here: https://baldingblog.com/mature-hairline-photo/
See the following link for a repair: https://baldingblog.com/repair-of-hairline-transplants-photos/ which can be used when the hairline is unnatural, straight or pluggy; however, this man has low corners which suggests that the grafts might best be removed with FUE to allow for a more normal position and general mature shape of the hairline.
I don’t understand and I’m getting frustrated because it should be easier to see. So if you’re a Norwood 5 or 6 that means you’re already a high NW number and the hair transplant doctor says “I can’t predict what pattern if you’ll go to a NW 7” how is that hard!?!? When you have a patient that is already a NW 5 or 6! I would understand if the patient was a NW 2, 3, 4 but this doesn’t make sense. If someone can help answer this it would be great thank you.
If you can’t see your pattern, get a HAIRCHECK test ( https://baldingblog.com/haircheck-test-how-it-is-done-video/) and that will determine your pattern of balding that you can’t see and quantify how much hair you lost, where you lost it and how much remains.
Fantastic response from finasteride in just one month which shows that this man is exquisitely sensitive to finasteride. The miniaturized hairs quickly grew into terminal hairs.
The distribution of your hair in hair grafts in a Class 7 pattern is dependent upon (1) your donor density (available supply of graft without depleting the donor area, (2) your styling preferences, (3) the thickness of your donor hair (Hair mass of each shaft which is a measurable criteria) and (4) your pocketbook. A good doctor should be able to set up realistic expectations for you here. You must recognize that the bald area is three times the area of your entire donor area and that only a little over half of your donor area can contribute grafts to the bald area which means that a little over 1/5th of the hair is movable to cover an area 5 times the size. Anybody can figure out that the math doesn’t work, so how do you get good results when there is such a limitation? That is the ART that the doctor does the surgery with a good design and an understanding of what he has to work with and what he can and can not accomplish. The key is to communicate this information to you, the patient.
The following is from a Reddit post. The graph is very interesting. I asked for the references from the poster for scientific clarity:
BACKGROUND: Many of you will be familiar with this old graph showing DHT inhibition from various microdoses of finasteride. You may even be using that data to help you choose which microdose of finasteride to take in an attempt at minimizing the chance of side effects. Turns out it was derived from the study: “Clinical dose ranging studies with finasteride, a type 2 5cz-reductase inhibitor, in men with male pattern hair loss”. However, as far as I can see, the graph isn’t actually displayed in the original study. Someone created the graph from just the numbers that the study reported.
Anyway, the home-brew graph contains a number of limitations, so I’ve improved upon it in the following ways:
Instead of using just one study, mine uses three, one of which is topical. That’s all of the range dosing studies as far as I know! They are colour coded everywhere in the image for clarity. The old graph is represented in my new graph as the red solid (not dotted) curve.
The graph display range has been adjusted from 0-5mg to 0-1mg. This helps make it a lot easier to see the much smaller microdoses, even around 0.05mg.
I give the ORIGINAL data points (as shown by the diamond/circle/X points and x/y labels). Needless to say, everything else is derived and only an approximation, so should be treated with caution!
Accuracy is better in the new one. The old one has a figure of 25% DHT inhibition for 1/16th mg dosage. I think the true figure is more like 37% as shown in the new graph.
I also give (where applicable) the DHT percentage reduced not just in the serum, but also the scalp, and also show a curve reporting the number of hairs grown back (or lost) – see the dashed red curve.
Finally, the studies I used are listed, and I stated the number of days / months before a DHT measurement is taken.
As more microdosing studies come in (topical or oral), I look forward to updating the graph further. Here’s the new graph again: https://archive.is/OGDk3
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I had a small thin spot on my crown that I’d like to darken with smp while I wait for possible results on finasteride. I was considering temporary smp. What do you recommend? I’m 25 with hairloss only in the crown, 6 months on fin. Thank you
We don’t do temporary SMP, but many people who had it grew their hair without it being detectable. We actually offer it for hair transplant patients who may not be as full as they want.
I’m 23M male with MPB. Currently I’m NW2 however my forehead has always been huge, it’s part of my skull structure. The question I’d like to ask is: does this procedure usually cause shock loss of the hairs (at the hairline or all over the scalp)? I need to reduce my forehead’s size (not my hairline) Thank you
23 year old men should not, in my opinion, get a forehead reduction surgery because of the risk of further recession and balding. You don’t know your balding pattern or if you are going to bald, and if you do, you may regret doing a forehead reduction surgery. When you are 25 and your pattern can be predicted through a Personalized Master Plan with a good hair doctor, then you should have a hair transplant hairline reduction which can accommodate hair loss without scarring at the hairline.